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Have tried some reformatting in effort to halt template's growing width. In order to preserve chronology, "principal co-belligerents" now shown by italics – but (1) am not sure that their positions are correct; and (2) not sure if Brazil/Czechoslovakia/Vietnam/Thailand qualify as "principal" co-belligerents (or "major" participants)...? Will add "• Others" to end of each list (duplicating links to Axis and Allies provided by these subheadings, but folk might not notice/respond to these instances). Hope nothing unacceptable has crept in. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 15:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC) Это пиздеж блять! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.88.4.54 (talk) 21:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Can anybody point here how Winter War is related to WWII?--Dojarca 23:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
there's a problem with france since there was two france each one with its own flag and leader. looking at the current article its like vichy france never existed, but it did! vichy french fought the russians in the eastern front through the SS division charlemagne and LVF, they fought the thai then the japanese in french indochina, they fought the allies in africa and maghreb. this had to be mentioned like you have done with the smaller country that is finland! Paris By Night 01:21, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I see that British Crown Colonies like India are not even mentioned in the template. Either the entry of UK should be changed to the British Empire, or it should carry a note saying "includes British Crown Colonies", or a separate entry should be made for India.
Whilst the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran is included in the timeline in 1941 the other elements to the Middle East Campaign are not (ref the "invisible" Vichy French mentioned above). Perhaps it would be appropriate if the Iran line was substituted with a link to the Middle East campaign with text to indicate all the elementse.g. Iraq, Lebanon, Syria & Iran that is [[Middle East Campaign|Iraq, Lebanon, Syria & Iran]].
Also I think the East African Campaign should be included. This was a very serious and tough campaign with the equivalent of five plus divisions of infantry on each side - as big as the early campaigns in North Africa. Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 17:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The RSI was a member of the Axis as such from 1943 - 1945, with its own Government, Capital and Military units. The template is about the MEMBERS of the Axis and the RSI was a member of the Axis as such. The RSI emerged out of the Kingdom of Italy, which entered the war in 1940. The head of the RSI was the same as the head of the Fascist State within the Kingdom of Italy. But its entry can also be specified to 1943. Daufer
Ok, than it will be specified to 1943. Mussolini never signed the armistice, and when he was liberated, he and several loyal generals reestablished the fascist regime, in the north of the Gustav line with the help of the Nazi regime. But the RSI had the Same heads, same racial laws, same currency, same ideology, same politics as the Fascist Kingdom of Italy before. As for your strange comparison. 1. The RSI was the RSI and Free France was Free France, whats the connection? 2. Unlike the Trieste province and South Tyrol which were annexed by Germany, and under German control, the RSI remained independent. And was, as a state, a member of the Axis from 43 - 45. The RSI had its own Government, Capital and Military Units. If this was the same case with Free France and the Allies, than Free France should be added to the members of the Allies from its entrance - the end of war.
Whether it was a puppet state or not, doesnt matter, because it was a state nonetheless. And it was a member of the Axis, as that state, the RSI. Its actually really simple. Daufer
Hi guys, I have archived old discussions here: Archive 01. It was surely high time... My regards, --Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 01:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
While I admire the great work & effort that has been put into this template, I nevertheless have some concerns. I created this template once, and as the absent father, I weep a little for my child which seems to suffer from serious elephantiasis... :)
As I said before, the idea was not that this template should serve as an exhaustive or detailed list on various WW2 matters, but only as a jump-off point to WW2 main topics. I talked about this one year ago here : Compression needed!.
Therefore, I recommend that this template gets thoroughly scrutinized.
As a starter I'd say:
Don't worry about "things being left out" - things will always be left out, no matter how hard we try. After all, it's a starting point, and there are links to the different theaters at the top of the template, and to List of military engagements of World War II.
Yes, I'm harsh. But sometimes a father has to be. :) My regards, --Dna-Dennis talk - contribs 14:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Just a few words. I'm the anonymous user who engaged an edit war with user Daufer on the presence of the RSI in the list of the Axis states. You can find our discussion here [1]. I'm going to do a last revert, and never more. The main reasons because I cancelled RSI from the list is that its military relevance is negligible and is already included in "others". If you want, continue the discussion. Bye, 87.14.234.106 14:47, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- 10th June 1940 : Kingdom of Italy enters WWII
- 9th July 1943 : Allied Landing in Sicily
- 25th July 1943 : General Badoglio and the King VE III overthrow Mussolini and Arrest him
- 17th August 1943 : Allies conquer all of Sicily
- 3rd September 1943 : Allies begin invasion of Italy, Axis retreat to Volturno Line
- 8th September 1943 : The Kingdom of Italy sign the Armistice (Joining the Allies and declaring war on Germany)
- 10th September 1943 : Germans take control of all Italy North of the Volturno Line; The King flees to the Allies
- 12th September 1943 : Germans liberate Mussolini
- 13th September 1943 : The Allies and the King create the Kingdom of the South with capital at Bari
- 23rd September 1943 : The Italian Social Republic (RSI) is proclaimed and ruled by Mussolini
- 23rd September 1943 : Badoglio (Kingdom of Italy) signs the formal documents of surrender with General Eisenhower aboard Nelson off Malta
The Kingdom of Italy was an Allied member for 2 days. The Kingdom of the South (a state put up by the allies in already allied territory) remained with the allies - end of war. Daufer —Preceding comment was added at 06:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I think we should remove "1937 invasion of China", because the war starts in 1939. 96.229.179.106 (talk) 04:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah! But in the timeline of World War II, it only has from 1939 onward. 96.229.179.106 (talk) 22:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Any thoughts of adding the Spain to the Axis power section with a link to Spain in World War II? While technically neutral, they did provide manpower and material to Axis war aims. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 17:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)