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The holocaust ended on the 8th april 1944—Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.41.102 (talk) 17:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I see there has been a small move-war over the title of this template.
The present name – chosen because the template goes at the end of the pages on which it's transcluded – Template:The Holocaust (end), is slightly misleading, as it implies the template is about the end of the Holocaust.
In fact the overwhelming majority of navboxes are "footer" navboxes, i.e., they go at the end of the page, so "footer" or "end" is redundant. Instead I propose that Template:The Holocaust be renamed as Template:The Holocaust sidebar and this one should be renamed as Template:The Holocaust. Only disadvantage I can see is that some work will be required to change the name of the sidebar template in all the pages on which it's transcluded before this one can be moved. Comments welcome.--NSH002 (talk) 19:26, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Is this template supposed to only focus on European aspects? Would it be wrong to include the Shanghai Ghetto? — LlywelynII 03:06, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I propose we eliminate the "Resources" section, which is currently a rather fat section of book titles, but even so only lists nineteen books. This section is out of place here and does not help the user navigate the site.
The purpose of a nav template is to help the reader quickly find and navigate to other topics related to the article page in which it appears, to place the article page in context of a wider constellation of related articles, and also sometimes to introduce the user to articles that she may not have been aware of, all in a relatively concise, efficient and (hopefully) logical nav box format.
In my view, the "Resources" section adds none of these benefits, and merely takes up valuable template real estate. For one thing, every nav template could have a "Resources" section, but they don't because it doesn't make sense. Users will find relevant resources in References, Further reading or Publications sections of the topics they click on that interest them. To try and have one "Resources" section in a nav template that somehow collects all the references (or even just the most important references--and who decides that?) for every link in the template is senseless, and it could never be kept up to date. That's why other templates don't have them. We shouldn't, either.
For another thing, the Resources list is arbitrary. Where is Paxton's "Vichy France and the Jews", which caused la revolution paxtonienne in Holocaust historiography in France? And why is Goldhagen's controversial book listed, given eminent Holocaust historian Raul Hilberg's assessment of it as "totally wrong about everything. Totally wrong. Exceptionally wrong."? I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying we could get into endless, pointless arguments about what belongs there. An arbitrary list of books like this is not appropriate for a nav template.
Furthermore, any such Resources list is doomed to be laughably inadequate. My local city holocaust library has 12,000 volumes. If I pick out just the "best" five hundred or a thousand of them, can I add them to the list? You get my point. If it would truly be helpful to the reader to have a long list of Holocaust resources, or Holocaust authors, or whatever, then a list-based article should be created. However, in my view, such a list would likely run into trouble with WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Lists of thousands of books about the Holocaust are available in databases and libraries, Wikipedia is not a repository or a mirror of collections like those, and we shouldn't encourage that kind of article.
If others disagree on this last point, then okay, spawn off "Resources" into its own stand-alone list if you must, but can we agree that the "Resources" group doesn't belong in the Template, and remove it? Mathglot (talk) 03:27, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
as follows:
thus no information will be lost by excluding the Resources category and its contents from this template. Mathglot (talk) 22:22, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Two big crimes aren't listed here, probably because they are described in sections of longer pages. Xx236 (talk) 11:25, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Esterwegen was used as a concentration camp from 1933-36 and then as a prison. I suppose it depends on how one defines "Holocaust", but it doesn't seem to have been involved in the physical destruction of supposed enemies of Nazism. Catrìona (talk) 15:08, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
All countries should be sorted alphabetically by name of country shown in the link display name; so 'Belarus' under 'B', 'Ukraine' under 'U', and so on. Many readers (especially younger ones) won't know the pre-dissolution status of countries that used to belong to the Soviet Union, nor is it important to know that while using this template, which is not about conveying or representing historical knowledge, but exclusively about getting a user to related topics of interest as quickly and easily as possible. Plain, alphabetical order makes much more sense for this purpose, than historical groupings under entities that do not exist anymore. Please reinstate revision 1159969227 as the most logical way of presenting these links. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 05:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
this should be the starting point for any serious consideration of the Holocaust.