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I question the usefulness of this template. It is just a hodgepodge of various entities called, formally or informally, academically or popularly, with or without justification, as "empires". Some are practically Wikipedianism (i.e. "Frankish Empire") and some are not linked to an article on an Empire (i.e. "Carthaginean Empire"). Even the headings "Middle Ages Empires" (should be medieval), "Modern Global Empires" (what makes these especially global?), and "Late Modern Empires" (who says this is the late modern era?) are odd. What is the purpose of this template? Srnec (talk) 15:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
If this is going to be a mainstream template appearing on all of these articles, group 6 must be removed on the grounds that it contains controversial, unestablished elements. E.g. potential controversy over whether to consider America an empire, or whether Nazi Germany is a useful link on the list. Brando130 (talk) 16:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I think, however, that group should not be called "Early modern Empires", since some of them are from the seconf half of the 19th century. On the other hand group 5 does list empire considered Global empires (and yes, I known wikipedia is not a source). Why not change the order and calling them "Global modern Empires" and "Other Modrn Empires"? The Ogre (talk) 17:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
American Empire? J. D. Redding 17:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks. J. D. Redding 17:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I understand. I understood. Thanks for stating it though. J. D. Redding 15:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Er, just wondering, where is it not accepted? Every single scholar, sociologist, historian, anthropologist, philosopher, etc. who is not a partisan has and continues to describe America as an empire. The only ones debating whether or not it is an empire are Americans. And if Wikipedia is to avoid having an American-centric POV, it should most certainly be included. Furthermore, the only reason the "American Empire" article is essentially a treatment of the terms of the debate is the furthest thing from honest taxonomy or anything worth being presented as objective. It is simply another manifestation of this debate--while American/Anglo-centric Wikipedia users are fine with firing up articles on any of the dictatorships or empires "commonly" accepted to be so, they are apparently at the vanguard when it is "their" country. Nationalism at it's best! The point is, there is no debate in the rest of the world, especially in the parts affected by U.S. "endeavors" as to America's status as an imperial power.
I mean honestly, how disingenuous can you get? The most powerful military in the world, with a long history of military expansions (from the very beginning of its inception to cover what is now the United States, including more recent additions like Hawaii), interventions (think the innumnerable devastations Latin America suffered), and "foreign wars" (the Middle East should really settle the debate right there). I mean--the Monroe Doctrine? Unilateralism? Defiance of the UN? Dictation of the terms of most global treaties? Responsible, along with its progenitor Britain, for spreading English as the de facto lingua franca across the entire globe? Still called for to acknowledge its war crimes and hold the offending bureaucrats responsible both domestically and around the world? Where are you getting that "America is not an Empire" except from the cruft that is thrown back and forth on nighttime television talkshows?
As I said. no scholar who studies anything even resembling geopolitics or political theory could possibly afford to treat America as just a big old land of people moving back and forth with an occasional war here and there to make things spicy. Any respected scholar, absolutely any must and does refer to America's imperial outings and status.
If there is no reasonable reply to these concerns in the next, shall we say week (and believe me I am open to any and all counter-claims, I just can't possibly imagine what they'd be), I'm going to go ahead and add it, or at least go along with the more sensible divisions that were suggested earlier on this talk page (as Japan is no longer an "empire" in any real sense of the term, precisely because of how it was disabled from having real military might post-WWII), with "early-modern" and "modern" empires (for example, China, which is embarrasingly absent from the list). Obviously, I don't want to just pig-headedly go through with it, I'd rather like to be able to come to a consensus, but I laughed out loud when I saw how bizarre this template looked the further down I read. And I don't think I'd be the only one.
All that's being done by fantasising "neutrality" into this discussion is to give credence to the current debate which is entirely ephemeral and entirely about America and Americans' own self-perception in the nation-state. If Wikipedians really want to avoid simply swaying with the times, then they'll do the right thing. Otherwise, we will fabricate the awkward necessity to go to the Search bar to read about modern empires instead of having the links in the template they should be in, and not for the typical technical difficulty, but for the most embarrassing reason of all: squeamishness. Parqbench (talk) 23:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Kushan Empire be added to the list of ancient empires, chronologically between the Mauryan Empire and the Gupta Empire? Nice template by the way. Cheers PHG (talk) 05:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
And of course, of course, Parthian Empire. PHG (talk) 05:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
There is also a group of possibly less important empires in ancient India: Nanda empire, Sunga Empire, Satavahana empire, Pala Empire, Hoysala Empire, Western Chalukya Empire which altogether might justify a special grouping. For the Medieval period: Vijayanagara Empire. Cheers PHG (talk) 05:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Among modern empires, Japanese empire and Italian Colonial Empire should be included. PHG (talk) 05:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that the Aztec Empire should be added to the list of medieval empires, because the Aztec Empire, was one of the more influential empires in the region in that era, and the second largest empire in postclassic america (before the spanish conquest). Zettus 21:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
i want just to say that Parthian Empire is one of the greatest empire alongside with roman republic and even this empire in Battle of Carrhae have a heroic victory against roman general crasus. this empire defeat successor of Alexander the Great (Seleucid Empire) in Persia and bring back the glory of persian people.i just want to say that this empire is equal to other persian empires if greater than them. so Please add this empire to the list of other ancient empires. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.165.11.53 (talk) 16:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
The Angevin Empire was more of a dynasty like the Habsburgs or Qing than an empire like the eastern-Roman or Russian empires. --82.134.154.25 (talk) 10:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I think Japan should be in a separate group, yes it is a modern empire however it is only continuing empire today. MKD Majstor 13:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
|group4 = Modern empires |list4 = Maratha · Mughal · Chinese (Ming · Qing) · Ottoman · Safavid · Afsharid · Zand · Qajar · Ethiopian · Portuguese · Spanish · Iberian · Dutch · British · French Napoleonic · French colonial · German · German colonial · Polish-Lithuanian · Russian · Swedish · Austro-Hungarian · Brazil · Italian Colonial · Korea · Japan
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|list4 = Maratha · Mughal · Chinese (Ming · Qing) · Ottoman · Persian (Safavid · Afsharid · Zand · Qajar) · Ethiopian · Portuguese · Spanish (Iberian) · Dutch · British · Chinese · French (First colonial · First Napoleonic · Second Napoleonic · Second colonial) · German (German colonial) · Polish-Lithuanian · Russian · Swedish · Austro-Hungarian · Brazil · Italian Colonial · Korea · Japan
I would also suggest putting the whole list in alphabetical order.--189.33.40.151 (talk) 01:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
What about the Neo-Babylonian Empire under Nebuchadnezzar II, The Ayyubid under Saladin and the Austrian Empire. It was a powerful empire before the Austro-Hungarian empire. They should be added to the template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.185.86 (talk) 23:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)