Many European countries do not have explicit blasphemy laws, yet they do have laws against "hate speech" which may include "criminally insulting religious and ethnic groups and inciting hatred and discrimination" (Netherlands). Also, the European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2018 that free speech does not include the right to call the prophet Mohammed "a paedophile". See Freedom of speech by country for a rather extensive list.

Should they not be included here as blasphemy laws? VwM.Mwv (talk) 10:37, 9 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

From the lede of this article. "..blasphemy laws include hate speech laws that extend beyond..". Now you'll have to start from this moment to check things much more deeply before you alter them, rather than not checking at all, or you will be most likely be blocked. There is a welcome template on your talk page. It explains much of these things. ~ R.T.G 18:58, 10 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

@RTG: So you're saying they should be included. Then why remove my templates? VwM.Mwv (talk) 23:15, 10 February 2019 (UTC)Reply The article is about blasphemy laws. They are blasphemy laws. You have tagged sources such as Haaretz (are you even Israeli?), OECD, and Wikisource as dubious. The map is sourced from [2]. Which bit is confusing? These resources are used across the site. If you want to dispute them, don't talk to me, I am just an editor like you, go directly to Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources, because those sources are accepted de facto universally on this site. Your problems are all aimed at WP:RS, I promise you. I told you, Wikiproject Israel has all of this for you. It's what they do. ~ R.T.G 23:33, 10 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

@RTG: Oops, my mistake. I didn't intend for those specific tags to remain when I reverted. VwM.Mwv (talk) 23:36, 10 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

@VwM.Mwv:Israel, apparently still has, blasphemy laws, even if they are no longer used. The only reason not to include that is reasons not to include Israel itself. That's not feasible. It's just part of cultural anthropology, what it means to be human. Most cultures have a history of persecuting those who speak in times of oppression. What makes me uncomfortable about the article, is the way the listing highlights Israel in an aesthetic way... I can see the methodology, blasphemy is about religion, and the first natural categorisation is by religion... But there are other ways to do it. ~ R.T.G 23:52, 10 February 2019 (UTC)Reply Updates edit

@RTG: I agree. I've updated the Israel section & added your source now. I've also tagged the map and added a preliminary reference to Freedom of speech by country in the lede. The problem is, I don't see any better way of organizing the list than by religion. However, one might distinguish between countries that regularly enforce these laws and countries that do not. I propose a 10-year model similar to the "abolitionist-in-practice" countries on the Capital punishment by country page. VwM.Mwv (talk) 01:20, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

@VwM.Mwv: Yes, my first thought was something to do with timescale of progress, but strictly speaking, though that is going to be generally accepted bias, it is bias none the less. I think by countries is the way to go. Countries are rarely absolute on religion. Continents and/or regions. In your capable hands I imagine. Notice that this edit was reverted. We don't tend to use conversational speech to link articles together. If a relevant topic does not appear in the prose, we put it in the "See also" section. But I am sure there might be a mention of "free speech" in the article, and then we would simply link it in, but we try not to write anything in that isn't specifically describing the subject at hand. ~ R.T.G 01:43, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

@RTG: Sorry, I don't see how having a timescale-based map might be perceived as "bias" when it's just something objective.
I agree the list could (or maybe even should) be re-arranged based on geography instead of religion.
The map tag & free speech by country link are merely temporary measures until the relevant countries have been added. VwM.Mwv (talk) 02:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Pressure for progress, which we all think we want, but true objectivity is unto itself without bias for anything. Bias is good in theory, but it's better to place the knowledge completely neutral, then add your bias as you draw from it, strengthening your conviction with the truth. Yeah I'd say it would be neater by continent and perhaps further by region and by continent. If you make the edit don't forget, Oceania is sort of a continent now if that helps the list o/ ~ R.T.G 12:25, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Reply This edit shows the need to reorder them by continent rather than by religion. Religion in Nigeria is roughly 50/50 between Christian and Muslim according to Wikipedia, whereas it is 100% in Africa, I believe the region is West Africa, ~ R.T.G 17:05, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Reply Telewizja Polska S.A and Daily Stormer as ref edit

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I see a weird reference in the current Poland section:

dailystormer.name (!)

-> https://www.tvp.info/40355485/jerzy-urban-w-areszcie-domowym-opinia which is an attack piece, GTranslate: which seems a paragon of a bombastic POV attack piece:

in the darkest letters, and for which he should really be responsible, not one that he may downplay...
It is difficult to find a more disgusting figure than Jerzy Urban in Polish public life.  A disgusting man who, for his own benefit, or in other words, to satisfy his private, not fully understood needs, has been spreading evil for nearly 40 years... etc.

This is The Daily Stormer, in case you do not know. What the heck? I have no time to look up who added it, but both are worrisome.

Fixing it now. Zezen (talk) 06:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply The diff here, if you are curious: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blasphemy_law&diff=977154267&oldid=976595798 Zezen (talk) 06:36, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply More photos needed edit

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Let as add https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blasphemy_Photoshoot.jpg

Etc. Zezen (talk) 10:23, 17 September 2020 (UTC)Reply greece edit

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greece no longer has blasphemy laws, should its name be removed from the "European initiatives" part of this article? Zeon26 (talk) 08:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)Reply Denmark edit

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Denmark reintroduced prison time for the "inappropriate treatment" of religious texts. How do you change the map? DenverCoder19 (talk) 20:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply